Теория Больной Божественной Головы

[Gwathlobal]

Вот вам всем. Думайте. Круче этого еще пока ничего не придумали.

The Mad GodHead Theory

A Reflection on Elder Scrolls Metaphysics

 

I don’t suffer from insanity…

 

Let us begin with Sithis, as that is where things began. Before Sithis there was nothing, though some have names and stories for that nothing. In Sithis the et’ada, the “original spirits”, came to be. In Sithis the et’ada were finished before they could materialize. This is the way things were supposed to be. Sithis is the state of a healthy mind. When our ideas become solid and start having ideas of their own: one becomes many, and is lost amongst itself.

 

An ailment came to this healthy mind, though the nature of this ailment is unknown it is not so hard to speculate. The two ingredients for Sithis were Anu and Padomay, Stasis and Change, Order and Chaos. If the balance between these two were disrupted, say more Anu than Padomay, ideas would form and not be “consumed” quite as quickly.

 

So, some ideas got stuck, itches were left unscratched in a manner of speaking. These were the first of the et’ada, and the beginning of an unparalleled case of dementia. These first et’ada, among whom purportedly was Akatosh the dragon god of time, helped other ideas gain form and shape. Each passing moment, or cycle, Akatosh “saved” more. The world they knew is lost to us. One could guess that at this point there was only a growing case of multiple personality disorder and that they were all still familiar with reality. This, though, was only the beginning.

 

Eventually, presumably as the health of this mind worsened, the wash of Anu and Padomay began to give way entirely. The two parts became polarized in what is now known as Magicka and Oblivion. In a twisted sense, bi-polar. The et’ada reflected this in their “alignments”.

 

It is around this time that the mind, naturally, tries to heal itself. Lorkhan, the “trickster”, is born. He approaches the et’ada with a plan to create a world of their own (most likely as a contrast to reality). They would shape it and rule it how they pleased, if at great sacrifice to themselves. Lorkhan’s intentions were of course otherwise, however his exact plan and whether or not he achieved what he set out to do is up for debate.

 

Most of the et’ada agreed to this and so they set to work creating all kinds of barriers to hold their fantasy world intact, and keep reality at bay. Only too late for most of them was it realized that through their sacrifice they would cease to be independent beings. They would not rule in their fantasy world, they would become part of it; no longer capable of affecting the “Godhead”.

 

All of the member-creators of this fantasy world, the Mundus, would come to be known as the Aedra. Those select few who had refused Lorkhan’s pact, and their eventual minions (arguably their own dementia) would come to be known as the Daedra.

 

Ah, the Daedra. Those few who were wise enough, paranoid enough, or just plain lucky enough to avoid Lorkhan’s trap. They looked at what the Godhead had done, he had created a fantasy world within himself, though in a way unwittingly and at the mercy of his own insanity. They decided to imitate this. They created realms inside of themselves, populated by minions which consisted of themselves (again, I believe this is them going through the same insanity of the Godhead, each of their minions is an aspect of their own split-personality). These were the realms of Oblivion.

 

A few of the Aedra did manage to escape their prison/fantasy world, Magnus being the chief amongst them. They are said to have gone to Aetherius, the origin of magicka, Oblivion’s counterpart. The stars are the holes through which they escaped. Why the Mundus has not heard of them since is open to debate. One could argue (one being me) that the stars are bits of reality shining through onto what would be the graveyard plane of Mundus, but that’s another proposal to be made at another time.

 

Despite these relatively few et’ada who escaped Lorkhan’s plan (the stars and Daedra) it would have been a stunning success. He had trapped the vast majority of fractured personalities and they would all eventually die. However, something happened, as somethings often do. It is unclear whether the remaining (and now very pissed off) Aedra sidetracked the plan, or if Lorkhan became infatuated with his individuality and thus tried to stop the project himself.

 

All of the et’ada trapped on Mundus did eventually die, or rather ceased to be conscious (perhaps with the exceptions of Lorkhan and Trinimac who are survived in Sheogorath and Malacath). However, some of them left aspects of themselves, the Ehlnofey who’s descendents would number the “mortal” races.

 

Yes, reader, Akatosh is long since dead. Of course the mortal races, being pieces of pieces of a long since fractured mind do have a conduit by which they control their world. Their beliefs affect, to an extent, the Godhead’s beliefs. Mind over matter, or matter of mind, as it were. And so their beliefs about the now dead Aedra can be projected into the world around them.

 

Let’s recap. GH (Godhead) went insane. His many personalities derailed his consciousness almost entirely. In response, Lorkhan is born. Lorkhan tricks most of the fractured personalities to follow him (like the pied-piper) into their own private world completely separate from reality, where he was to then let them all rot and die for the sake of GH’s sanity (presumably). Those who did not follow Lorhkan, the Daedra, became insane and imitated the cycle, spawning many smaller personalities of their own in the realms of Oblivion. Those who escaped Lorkhan’s plan were never heard from again. After Lorkhan’s “failure” Mundus became somewhat similar to the original Sithis, “mortals” coming and going. Thus, the Aedra were, for the most part, sane. That doesn’t help GH’s sanity any, though, as it is now even more fractured than before.

 

That brings us up to speed, that is the current state of things. Of course it cannot remain this way forever. Nordic legends imply that Lorkhan had an accomplice in his plan (undermining one system to fix another). The esteemed Mehrunes Dagon. This is easy for me to believe in that his realm, destruction, would be vital for the curing of the GH. If all of the fractured personalities were killed off things could start really healing. Of course Dagon is himself insane, so it kind of puts a damper on things. He neurotically destroys, unaware of why anymore. So the mission is lost.

 

The GH will continue to try and cure itself, fighting against it’s own insanity. It will try to reunite all of it’s fractured personalities, or barring that get rid of them. That is what Chim is, the realization of not being the individual you thought you were but still existing. “You” cease to exist, but return to the GH, and so you really only begin to “exist” in reality. That is the final note of the Mundus, and the realms beyond. The returning to Sithis, mental health, and reality. Whether that’s a good thing probably depends on who you ask.

 

Or perhaps the many layers of insanity will continue to quash each other’s attempts at a cure. The Mundus, with it’s keepers dead, will continue on and on until finally the GH’s divine flare expires. The returning to that nothing of before, for which some have names and stories for.

Переводить не буду, ибо я аццки злой оттого, что в теме про MGE никто пишет...

[Фальк]

Я правильно понял текст: мир Свитков существует лишь в неком безумном сознании? Необычная теория, но учитывая новые изменения в лор...))

 

Переводить не буду, ибо я аццки злой оттого, что в теме про MGE никто пишет...

Ждем работающую версию нового МГЕ...

[orc Wolf]

Акатош мертв?

Ситис - порождение больного разума?

(perhaps with the exceptions of Lorkhan and Trinimac who are survived in Sheogorath and Malacath)

 

:1anim_ag: :1anim_ag: :1anim_ag: Хех, Фалкон, ты накаркал, когда ставил равенство =)))

 

Most of the et’ada agreed to this and so they set to work creating all kinds of barriers to hold their fantasy world intact, and keep reality at bay.

 

А тут уже интересно: помните теорию о том, то Нирн поначалу был лишь планом Забвения, а силы Аэдра нужны были для его "материализации"?..

[Фальк]

Хех, Фалкон, ты накаркал, когда ставил равенство =)))

Угу... Только что-то я не разобрал, почему в тексте Шигорат=Лорхан...

Изменено 4 февраля, 2007 пользователем Falcon

[Gwathlobal]

Потому что Лорхан - это прямой ставленник Ситиса (ББГ), а Шигорат где-то, не помню уже где, прямо называется - "пятно Ситиса в Нирне". А почему он безумен - дык Ситис тоже больной.

[Фальк]

Разве Ситис не Другое название (и, в каком-то смысле, форма) Падомая (мерская, вроде бы)?

[orc Wolf]

Так тут и доказывается, что больной разум породил Ситис, т.е. Хаос.

[Фальк]

А, так вот что я упустил...) Неправильно перевел и посчитал, что ББГ объединяет в себе и ситиса, и ауриэля...

[Gwathlobal]

Не.

Sithis is the state of a healthy mind

Он, заболев, разделился на Ану и Падомая (которые уже породили всю тьму вещей).

Малость не стыкуется с некоторыми мифами, где Ситис=Падомай, но все можно списать на (анти)эльфийскую пропаганду.

Зато становится понятно, почему Ситис покровительствует Темного Братству. Ему же надо всех поубивать в Нирне, чтобы выздороветь. :bg:

А вот вам еще текста:

Lorkhan, in this theory (and I know I read it somewhere, though it wasn't explicitly stated... Lorkhan was born to restore a former status quo), is born to bring back sanity to an insane mind. In his death/transformation/shadow he becomes the purest form of what he sought to abolish. Ironic, certainly, but most likely not coincidental. If Sithis is sanity, and there is now a hole where sanity once was (which is Sheogorath), it makes perfect sense that he would represent insanity... No?

 

That doesn't necessarily mean that there was no insanity before him. He was the instrument which was to cure the GH's mind but either by being killed or possibly through his sudden infatuation with "I" he became the instrument that would continue to ail the GH's mind.

 

In essence, if you were to give Lorkhan a proper "force" (time, destruction, insanity), I claim that it wouldn't be "Change" (that's silly, they all represent change of a sort) but "sanity". The et'ada do not need to be around for their respective "forces" to exist... Possibly in Mundus but certainly not in a reality outside of it...

 

I've said it three times now but I'm not sure I managed to word it right.

[Фальк]

Хм, ни разу не встречал информации о том, что ситис=ану+падомай... Нельзя ли ссылку на какой-нибудь источник? К тому же в эльфийских легендах встречаются лишь Ауриэль и Ситис, таким образом, если С=А+П, то в них отсутсвует падомай... Изменено 4 февраля, 2007 пользователем Falcon

[Gwathlobal]

Но вот Мономиф мой любимый:

Все Тамриэльские религии начинаются с одного. У истоков всего стоит дуализм Ану и Его Другого. Эти двойные силы известны под многими именами: Ану-Падомай, Ануи-эль и Ситис, Ак-Эль, Сатак-Акэль, Есть-Нет. Ануэль - это Вечный Невыразимый Свет, Ситис - это Разрушающее Невыразимое Действие. В середине находится Серое Может Быть ("Нирн" у Эльнофекса).

ТО есть Ану=Ануи-эль, а с другой стороны Падомай=Ситис.

Впрочем, не специалист, так что могу и налажать...

[Фальк]

Так Мономиф наоборот говорит о том, что Ситис - это не ану и падомай... А я спрашивал, откуда у автора теории инфа, что С=А+П...

 

Чувствую, что где-то во что-то я как-то не врубаюсь...

[orc Wolf]

Возможно, с разделением первородного Хаоса на два разных Хаоса: творимый, доброкачественный, который сразу упорядочивается (Ану) и злокачественный, разрушительный... (Падомай) имя Ситис достается Падомаю как отчество =))

[Фальк]

Так откуда информация о том, что ану+падомай - это ситис?

 

*мозг перегрелся - фалкон отключился*

[orc Wolf]

Не, скорее наоборот, Ситис=Ану + Падомай, так хронологически вер...

 

Волк падает... Зладей тот кто эту статью написал... Еретик!

[Gwathlobal]

Не еретик! :) Ибо статья объясняет все. ВСЕ! ВСЕ!!!

 

А вот кто зладей, так это ГГ Обливиона. Сцуко, не дал Мехрунчику уничтожить Нирн и вылечить ББГ.

[Фальк]

Вот только в ТЕС V все равно все пойдет иначе...)

 

Так я и не понял, с чего автор взял, что ситис - это хаос и порядок в одном лице...

[Gwathlobal]

Не знаю, на оф. форуме никто не поинтересовался. Видать, небольшое допущение.

[Boma Kuro]

Гм, интересная ересь. Гностицизм какой-то, хех.

Впрочем, книжку "Ситис" помните? В принципе, ничего концептуально нового нет.

[orc Wolf]

ВОТ! Точно, "Ситис"!!!

Там как раз было нечто подобное!

Гностицизм... Вообще-то он присущ все мерам )

[Синдбад-Мореход]

Меня радует, что написано в конце книги:

Иди к Шармату Дагот Уру как друг.

 

AE HERMA MORA ALTADOON PADHOME LKHAN AE AI.

 

- Неизвестный автор

Что касаеться теории, я тоже запутался. Этот Лор такой противоречивый...

Изменено 5 февраля, 2007 пользователем Centurion

[Анархист]

Этот Лор такой противоречивый...

 

Это хорошо, если его вообще хоть чуток знаешь, а то и... :1anim_am:

[Boma Kuro]

Меня радует, что написано в конце книги:

Да, кстати, интересная надпись.

 

Иди к Шармату Дагот Уру как друг.

Это, понятно, пропаганда Шестого дома.

 

AE HERMA MORA ALTADOON PADHOME LKHAN AE AI.

HERMA MORA - Хермиус Мора, тоже понятно.

PADHOME - Падомай;

LKHAN - Лорхан.

AE - Аниу-Эль? Тогда AI? (Хех, искусственный интеллект, главный бог Морра и Обливы - воистину больная голова) И ALTADOON? И как все эти вышеперечисленные личности связаны между собой?

[orc Wolf]

AE Скорее - "славен" или "во имя"... а вообще... следуя теории Больной Головы...

AE - "есть", что потверждается его метом в предложении - в начале и в перед AI - "одно" или "сущее" или же вообще "Бог"...

Выводы ясны...

[Синдбад-Мореход]

Иди к Шармату Дагот Уру как друг.Это, понятно, пропаганда Шестого дома.

Но что она делает в этой книге?